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	<title>Comments on: Awww.. Fedora 12 includes Mono and Windows.Forms by default, in GNOME</title>
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	<description>Fortiter Et Recte</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-6622</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to see how much C# and .NET has taken off. I wonder why Java never did so..

-c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see how much C# and .NET has taken off. I wonder why Java never did so..</p>
<p>-c</p>
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		<title>By: neighborlee</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator>neighborlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just goes to show how out of touch alot of OSS really is , and that just like apple , it gets in &#039;bed&#039; with Microsoft. I am not saying everything Microsoft does turns to utter garbage, but when OSS /linux has &#039;alternatives&#039; to patently avoid the goober mess etc., and ignores those options, then its a clear indication of bad leadership that some of us saw coming a very very long time ago.

It&#039;s something often missed so here you go: 
http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/paint-mono-paintnet-fuer-linux.html

Yes you read it right.SLOW crashy and thats a  current test..not unlike f-spot ..are we seeing a common thread here yet ( The are other references on google to prove this , one is &#039;turned skyward&#039;) ?

Too bad, so sad, but really does anyone care that mono might be gone in 13, that its there in 12 seems the more relevant awkwardness ( we&#039;ll see? ) . What exactly was the fear with not shipping mono, was there some magical app that was so worthy, that shooting OSS in the proverbial foot was more logical that following logical steps for the good of the core ? PCbsd understands avoiding mono apparantly and that&#039;s where Im sticking for foreseeable future, because I know they have my(our) back.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show how out of touch alot of OSS really is , and that just like apple , it gets in &#8216;bed&#8217; with Microsoft. I am not saying everything Microsoft does turns to utter garbage, but when OSS /linux has &#8216;alternatives&#8217; to patently avoid the goober mess etc., and ignores those options, then its a clear indication of bad leadership that some of us saw coming a very very long time ago.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something often missed so here you go:<br />
<a href="http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/paint-mono-paintnet-fuer-linux.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/paint-mono-paintnet-fuer-linux.html</a></p>
<p>Yes you read it right.SLOW crashy and thats a  current test..not unlike f-spot ..are we seeing a common thread here yet ( The are other references on google to prove this , one is &#8216;turned skyward&#8217;) ?</p>
<p>Too bad, so sad, but really does anyone care that mono might be gone in 13, that its there in 12 seems the more relevant awkwardness ( we&#8217;ll see? ) . What exactly was the fear with not shipping mono, was there some magical app that was so worthy, that shooting OSS in the proverbial foot was more logical that following logical steps for the good of the core ? PCbsd understands avoiding mono apparantly and that&#8217;s where Im sticking for foreseeable future, because I know they have my(our) back.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-6584</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rahul,

That&#039;s good to hear. Any other movement on the Mono front?

-c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rahul,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s good to hear. Any other movement on the Mono front?</p>
<p>-c</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Sundaram</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-6583</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Sundaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did eventually replace F-Spot like I indicated earlier

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-March/005913.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did eventually replace F-Spot like I indicated earlier</p>
<p><a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-March/005913.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-March/005913.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5418</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rahul,

Thanks for the link. It doesn&#039;t mention anything about replacing F-Spot, but rather gThumb. Still, if Shotwell is good enough, there&#039;d be no reason to keep F-Spot I guess.

-c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rahul,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link. It doesn&#8217;t mention anything about replacing F-Spot, but rather gThumb. Still, if Shotwell is good enough, there&#8217;d be no reason to keep F-Spot I guess.</p>
<p>-c</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Sundaram</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5397</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Sundaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

F-Spot might be getting replaced by Shotwell by default in Fedora 13. 

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-November/msg00059.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>F-Spot might be getting replaced by Shotwell by default in Fedora 13. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-November/msg00059.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-November/msg00059.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5335</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Luya,

Thanks, it wasn&#039;t my intention to imply that, but I did include the words &quot;by default&quot; as it is the default. Naturally you can customise whatever you like :-)

-c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Luya,</p>
<p>Thanks, it wasn&#8217;t my intention to imply that, but I did include the words &#8220;by default&#8221; as it is the default. Naturally you can customise whatever you like <img src='http://blog.christophersmart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-c</p>
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		<title>By: Luya Tshimbalanga</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5334</link>
		<dc:creator>Luya Tshimbalanga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
Unchecking Fspot from DVD installation via &quot;Customize now&quot; will not include mono packages. It sounds like you blog implies Fedora does no longer allow custom installation which is not true. You should at least mentioned it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
Unchecking Fspot from DVD installation via &#8220;Customize now&#8221; will not include mono packages. It sounds like you blog implies Fedora does no longer allow custom installation which is not true. You should at least mentioned it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eustáquio Rangel (taq) 's status on Thursday, 19-Nov-09 13:11:33 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5328</link>
		<dc:creator>Eustáquio Rangel (taq) 's status on Thursday, 19-Nov-09 13:11:33 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-defau...       a few seconds ago  from  Gwibber [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Can&#8217;t Trust Microsoft with Code, So Why is Fedora 12 Mono and Winforms Dependent? &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/19/awww-fedora-12-includes-mono-and-windows-forms-by-default-in-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-5327</link>
		<dc:creator>Can&#8217;t Trust Microsoft with Code, So Why is Fedora 12 Mono and Winforms Dependent? &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Red Hat is making a mistake right now because it follows the footsteps of OpenSUSE 11.2 by becoming dependent on Winforms. As the following new post emphasises:  The Fedora 12 Constantine GNOME Live CD is Mono free, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Red Hat is making a mistake right now because it follows the footsteps of OpenSUSE 11.2 by becoming dependent on Winforms. As the following new post emphasises:  The Fedora 12 Constantine GNOME Live CD is Mono free, but [...]</p>
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