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	<title>Comments on: Karmic upgrade, broken sound. Workaround.</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5791</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Mauricio,
Thanks for the suggestion. If I need to re-install for someone, I&#039;ll give that a try instead.

Cheers,
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mauricio,<br />
Thanks for the suggestion. If I need to re-install for someone, I&#8217;ll give that a try instead.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Mauricio Nuñez</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5786</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauricio Nuñez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Chris, 

I have an Optiplex 755, an to get the sound at Karmic, I&#039;ve installed alsamixer, then with de left arrow, go to the mono channel, and then, with the up arrow, you change the volume from 0 to 100.
With key &#039;M&#039; turn off Mute if is necesary.
Quit with key Q, and save your changes with sudo alsactl 0.

Mauricio]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, </p>
<p>I have an Optiplex 755, an to get the sound at Karmic, I&#8217;ve installed alsamixer, then with de left arrow, go to the mono channel, and then, with the up arrow, you change the volume from 0 to 100.<br />
With key &#8216;M&#8217; turn off Mute if is necesary.<br />
Quit with key Q, and save your changes with sudo alsactl 0.</p>
<p>Mauricio</p>
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		<title>By: Che Mätzke</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5219</link>
		<dc:creator>Che Mätzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Christopher,

I&#039;m ab big Linux-fan and been on and of trying out different distros for the last 7 or 8 years. But switched to Linux when Ubuntu bacame a grafical and working alternative for Win. Have been working dozens of hours fixing probems (even I am a newbe) and have succeded to convert my parents (75 years) to switch to Ubuntu - even they don&#039;t alvays seem to undestand the difference between Application and Plases... :-)

Now I have been reading your articles in Linux Magazine with high interest. Thans to them - and looked your blog up.

Unfortionally did red your article one day too late about the troubles with upgrading to Karmic...

Still, won&#039;t give up... and am convinced that Linux rocks.

keep up the good work and keep us &quot;averige Joe&#039;s&quot; informed what you discover.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christopher,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ab big Linux-fan and been on and of trying out different distros for the last 7 or 8 years. But switched to Linux when Ubuntu bacame a grafical and working alternative for Win. Have been working dozens of hours fixing probems (even I am a newbe) and have succeded to convert my parents (75 years) to switch to Ubuntu &#8211; even they don&#8217;t alvays seem to undestand the difference between Application and Plases&#8230; <img src='http://blog.christophersmart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now I have been reading your articles in Linux Magazine with high interest. Thans to them &#8211; and looked your blog up.</p>
<p>Unfortionally did red your article one day too late about the troubles with upgrading to Karmic&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, won&#8217;t give up&#8230; and am convinced that Linux rocks.</p>
<p>keep up the good work and keep us &#8220;averige Joe&#8217;s&#8221; informed what you discover.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m just getting too old..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just getting too old..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Samuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5211</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, I don&#039;t recognise any of those issues, although the networking ones might relate to a glibc change that apparently causes problems with some broken ADSL routers.  I think it&#039;s these glibc related bugs in Fedora and Ubuntu:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505105
https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/glibc/+bug/417757

cheers,
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I don&#8217;t recognise any of those issues, although the networking ones might relate to a glibc change that apparently causes problems with some broken ADSL routers.  I think it&#8217;s these glibc related bugs in Fedora and Ubuntu:</p>
<p><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505105" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505105</a><br />
<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/glibc/+bug/417757" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/glibc/+bug/417757</a></p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Bill,

That&#039;s true, you need users to test things to discover bugs and fix them to make everything work. Problem is most users don&#039;t upgrade until the &quot;stable&quot; version is out, it&#039;s then that we find masses of issues. The problem for me is that Ubuntu is &quot;for noobs&quot; and these are the kinds of people who need a machine that won&#039;t break when they upgrade. My suggestion is to simply put a delay on the upgrading from Update Manager, so that by default users don&#039;t upgrade for a month. This should make the release more stable by the time average users upgrade as more advanced users will still upgrade at the time of release and find the problems.

We need technical people to run the latest version to discover and fix major bugs, but they aren&#039;t doing that until the &quot;stable&quot; release is actually out. We do not want that happening to n00bs because that just means a poor user experience and it gives Ubuntu (and more widely, Linux) a bad name. New users only upgrade because the update manager tells them to. So why not just delay that? They will still get their updates for the previous version anyway, and what&#039;s a month or two delay if it&#039;s going to be better quality overall?

On the other hand, there were also lots of &lt;em&gt;known&lt;/em&gt; bugs at the time of release..

-c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, you need users to test things to discover bugs and fix them to make everything work. Problem is most users don&#8217;t upgrade until the &#8220;stable&#8221; version is out, it&#8217;s then that we find masses of issues. The problem for me is that Ubuntu is &#8220;for noobs&#8221; and these are the kinds of people who need a machine that won&#8217;t break when they upgrade. My suggestion is to simply put a delay on the upgrading from Update Manager, so that by default users don&#8217;t upgrade for a month. This should make the release more stable by the time average users upgrade as more advanced users will still upgrade at the time of release and find the problems.</p>
<p>We need technical people to run the latest version to discover and fix major bugs, but they aren&#8217;t doing that until the &#8220;stable&#8221; release is actually out. We do not want that happening to n00bs because that just means a poor user experience and it gives Ubuntu (and more widely, Linux) a bad name. New users only upgrade because the update manager tells them to. So why not just delay that? They will still get their updates for the previous version anyway, and what&#8217;s a month or two delay if it&#8217;s going to be better quality overall?</p>
<p>On the other hand, there were also lots of <em>known</em> bugs at the time of release..</p>
<p>-c</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, but then perhaps you&#039;ll &lt;a href=&quot;http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/11/review-kde-one-year-later.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;run into other issues...&lt;/a&gt; :-(

Actually I&#039;m quite liking KDE4. Once Knetworkmanager is merged to main I think it&#039;ll finally be much more usable for laptop/netbook users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but then perhaps you&#8217;ll <a href="http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/11/review-kde-one-year-later.html" rel="nofollow">run into other issues&#8230;</a> <img src='http://blog.christophersmart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;m quite liking KDE4. Once Knetworkmanager is merged to main I think it&#8217;ll finally be much more usable for laptop/netbook users.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Farrow</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5202</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a number of serious breakages happening on Ubuntu 9.10.  I was bitten by the Intel 855GM freezing issue.  It sucks, and a non-techie would give up.

How did this happen ? The technical advances that that they are incorporating into the time based releases are really needed to move forward.  The problem is we need more testing on a wider range of hardware.  If we don&#039;t push the envelope, the development cycle slows down and we risk stagnation. If Ubuntu users don&#039;t install and run the Alpha and Beta releases then how will stuff get fixed before the main release ?

BTW, I am not an Ubuntu developer.  Maybe it&#039;s time I started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of serious breakages happening on Ubuntu 9.10.  I was bitten by the Intel 855GM freezing issue.  It sucks, and a non-techie would give up.</p>
<p>How did this happen ? The technical advances that that they are incorporating into the time based releases are really needed to move forward.  The problem is we need more testing on a wider range of hardware.  If we don&#8217;t push the envelope, the development cycle slows down and we risk stagnation. If Ubuntu users don&#8217;t install and run the Alpha and Beta releases then how will stuff get fixed before the main release ?</p>
<p>BTW, I am not an Ubuntu developer.  Maybe it&#8217;s time I started.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Samuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/11/09/karmic-upgrade-broken-sound-work-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5201</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, at some point with Jaunty I decided to try Pulseaudio with KDE and forgot about it, once I upgraded to Karmic my sound was completely stuffed until I aptitude purge&#039;d pulseaudio etc.

Fortunately KDE isn&#039;t tied to PA so no mixer issues there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, at some point with Jaunty I decided to try Pulseaudio with KDE and forgot about it, once I upgraded to Karmic my sound was completely stuffed until I aptitude purge&#8217;d pulseaudio etc.</p>
<p>Fortunately KDE isn&#8217;t tied to PA so no mixer issues there.</p>
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